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QaF and fanfic in general

So, first off, Happy Birthday to

anoel! I hope you had a great day!

So I've been thinking lately. About QaF. And fic. Specifically, all the great crack fic QaF had.

I think it's easier to recognize Bad!Fic once you're out of a fandom, and QaF had some of the very *best* Bad!Fic out there (or maybe time dims such things :P).

So I would like to open my comments up to talk about some of the really good Bad!Fic out there. Not the stuff, where there was bad spelling, or a complete lack of plot, but the Bad!Fic that you just couldn't stop reading, even though it was getting really out of character, or was so off from what the characters on the show were that the only resemblence they had were the same names. Some particularly memorable ones from QaF for me:
-Miss Miko's *epic* fic, where we got to spend 10 chapters reading (and seeing, as there were pictures!) about the boys decorating their house.
-That fic, by someone, where in the first 20 chapter part, Justin was a deaf single dad, and then in the beginning of the next 20 chapter part, he got it cured, and the story had like, another 20 chapter part, where you completely forgot that the premise of the fic in the beginning was that he was deaf.
-Amish!Justin
-The one where they were all Space!Pirates.
-*all* the fics where Justin became a prostitute
-The one where Brian was a mobster in the 1920s.
-The one where Brian was the high school kid, and Justin let him move in after his dad beat the shit out of him or something.
-The one where Brian was a Roman soldier, and Justin a Celtic warrior.
-Oh the awesome mpreg one that was told from the two sides (one a Bad!Fic writer, and one where the author tried to keep them in character).

I know there were more out there! I'm sure others fandoms have them too!

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Thank you so much! And I did :)

I don't really read QaF fic or bad/crack fic in other fandoms so sadly I can't help you there. Your examples are hilariously awesome though.

Your examples are hilariously awesome though.
Yeah, they are pretty great. I have to wonder how I'll look back on the SGA fandom in a few year though. I find it much harder to admit that the fics I'm reading now might be Bad!Fic. I think because the SGA authors have more in canon to base their crack on. But I'm sure many of the Harlequin fics out there count, like the one where Rodney dresses up like a Victorian maiden to save his family from ruin by marrying Duke John. Yeah... maybe SGA has one or two :P

Oh from what I hear, SGA is the KING of crack fics. Or at least where they became really popular.

Yes, yes it is, but, in my head at least, there's a difference between Crack!Fic and Bad!Fic, mostly it comes down to characterization. I mean, can you really see Brian breaking down and crying in the middle of a court room because he loves Justin? But then again it doesn't seem that off for Rodney to be all blustery and a whirlwind, and have John be all sarcastic and laconic, even if John owns a grocery store and works the counter in that fic.

If that makes any sense at all.

...when you say like that, the grocery store thing sounds vaguely ridiculous. LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

Anyway. I think popslash had the market cornered on bad!fic for a while. See: anything and everything FictionLyn ever wrote, every single 60 chapter, knocked up, terminally ill Mary Sue epic. I don't even want to know how many hours of her life my roommate wasted reading that crap.

Also, I will never forget the one where the members of Nsync were on a ski trip and everyone kept tripping over JC's dildo. WTF to the nth power, man. (Although they win for best pre-trend mashup name with Trickyfish.) I also thought the hoser!Nsync fic was genius, but I was probably too young and dumb to realize how bad it really was.

And then there was that X-Files series where Mulder fucked Scully with a whole range of household objects. I couldn't use a flashlight for a year after I read that, I swear.

This may very well be the Best Post Ever.

I always had a soft spot for that prison!B/J AU. ;)

- About 85% of all high school AUs. Especially the 'Freak and Jock' one. *g*
- The one where Justin comes back to Pittsburgh after his OC boyfriend died from AIDS and Brian is about to be married to some shrink and then for some reason Brian goes to France with Justin
- The one where Brian had about 78451 abortions before he met Justin, but this time decides to keep Justin's child and winds up in a coma after giving birth.
- The one where Lindsay is a Justin-raping psycho.
- Everything by gaedhal.
- The one where Gus fucks Justin while Brian watches and gives instructions.
- Everything by ashleigh kinners or whatever her name was.
- Everything by Starema. Especially the poetry.
- Justin Gets the Shaft

Also, I will never forget the one where the members of Nsync were on a ski trip and everyone kept tripping over JC's dildo.
Ahahahaha, DEAD.

And then there was that X-Files series where Mulder fucked Scully with a whole range of household objects. I couldn't use a flashlight for a year after I read that, I swear.
I really wish I could un-read that. :|

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The one where Brian had about 78451 abortions before he met Justin, but this time decides to keep Justin's child and winds up in a coma after giving birth.

The one where Gus fucks Justin while Brian watches and gives instructions.

You can't be serious.

Watch me! :D

Gus/Justin

Unfortunately, I can't find a working link for abortionist!Brian. :|

Aha, success! (If I can call it that.)

...when you say like that, the grocery store thing sounds vaguely ridiculous. LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
Ah, ha ha ha. :D
No, obviously A Supermarket in California could have been canon it was so close to real :P

And getting all think-y again. I think SGA allows for more crack fic than some other fandom, not just because things like AUs are canon, but also because the characters are... easier to get close? Like often if you have Rodney being sarcastic and smart and blustery, than people will accept it as being in character, or at least not out of character, but in other fandoms it can be harder to peg a character. I know that was one of the problems with QaF, Brian was a guy who went around proclaiming that he didn't believe in love, he believed in fucking; he'd refuse to give into "romantic" notions like celebrating birthdays or giving flowers. And then he'd go and do increadibly romantic things like show up at his boyfriends prom, or get him a special computer so that his boyfriend can still be an artist after he's injered. Trying to peg down that characters balance of disdain for the traditional yet his obvious love and thoughtfulness is hard, and would lead to a lot of people getting it wrong. QaF was pretty much *only* about the characters, and we knew a lot about them, fandoms like SGA are about sci fi; we may love it for the characters, but in the end, we don't know nearly as much about them.

See: anything and everything FictionLyn ever wrote, every single 60 chapter, knocked up, terminally ill Mary Sue epic. I don't even want to know how many hours of her life my roommate wasted reading that crap.
OMG that sounds like the one that I mentioned above by Miss Miko. It seriously took me about a *month* to read it. It was good in the beginning, and then it got OOC, and then it got weird (there was literal conservative bashing, and one of the main characters stepping in to help), then it turned into a big shopping expedition as they decorated their house. :P

Also, I will never forget the one where the members of Nsync were on a ski trip and everyone kept tripping over JC's dildo. WTF to the nth power, man.
You know, personally, I'm pretty sure it would only take my friends tripping over my sex toys once for me to put it away and keep it there (right after I died of mortification) :P
Although, come to think about it, that sounds an awfull lot like all the fics my little sister talks about loving :S

I was probably too young and dumb to realize how bad it really was.
Isn't that always disappointing (and embarassing) when you go back and read something you read and loved ages ago, only to realize during the reread that it's actually pretty crappy? Yeah, that happens to me. :P

And then there was that X-Files series where Mulder fucked Scully with a whole range of household objects. I couldn't use a flashlight for a year after I read that, I swear.
Sara has issues with deleting things, and as a result she ends up with some really weird things saved in places, just because she has this fear of deleting something and then needing it. Anyways, when we were living in China, I would put her vids on so that there would be background music, and there's this one anime one where there are scenes of a guy being raped with a cob of corn. Yeah.
And it was a *video*.
Talk about not being able to look at an object the same afterwards....

This may very well be the Best Post Ever.
*winz*

Oh, I can't beleive I forgot to put that one on the list! I mean to! I even thought about it, but I think I was a little too overwhelmed when I was writing this post with all the memories :P

I remember when I came across that fic,

valerie_z had posted a link to a free text reader, and I had downloaded it. So I would set that thing to read it outloud and read along with it. It had one of those really roboticized voices, and could *not* pronounce her name. What a random memory...

My favourite is the classic mpreg atrocity in which Brian gives birth to triplets and expresses his chagrin at having to buy a minivan. Oh, and the best part: I believe they named the babies Brianna, Michaela and Justine.

P.S. Hi! *waves*

I...don't quite think "thanks" is the appropriate thing to say here (perhaps "WHERE'S THE EVERLOVING BLEACH?" is better) but, y'know, thanks. :D

Thinky again! :)

So (she says, in stereotypical therapist-speak), let me see if I'm hearing you right: do you thing SGA AUs are easier to get right because the characters are more one-dimensional than in other shows or because we're lacking the background knowledge other shows tend to have? (And great point, there -- I tend to forget that SGA is sci-fi. Especially when I listen to Gero on commentary, who forgets the same thing, I think.)

Now, here I'd like to posit a theory for your perusal (thought it may be a bit tangential to what you were saying). I'd say that character knowledge has a parabolic relationship with ease of writing: more information is helpful to a certain point, but when there's too much of it it can become a handicap. I wasn't ever really involved in the QAF fandom (I pretty much gave up as soon as I realized my Michael/Brian OTP was never to be), but I saw some of the same effects of too much character knowledge during my (blessedly) brief stint in the Star Wars fandom. And I think I see the opposite end of the spectrum with Friday Night Lights fic, particularly during the first season, since the only things we learned about the characters were directly related to the school's football season. Little of the early fic in that fandom could achieve accurate characterization.

And there's my bit of thinkiness for the night. Also, if my stats prof could only see that I actually do apply the theories, just not in the way he wants me to!

God that sounds familiar, isn't the the one that was in two parts? With the good writer/bad writer?

And yay! You're back :D

do you thing SGA AUs are easier to get right because the characters are more one-dimensional than in other shows or because we're lacking the background knowledge other shows tend to have?
I think to some extent yes. I mean if we have a ton of background information on a person that there's less leeway for us to make them do things (although with SGA the writers don't feel bad about having Rodney have a pet whale one ep, and then having a long standing fear of them the next...).
But for example, a writer couldn't really go and write a fic about how Rodney was the coolest kid in school, because canon goes against that (McKay and Mrs. Millar), but before then you could have. If you have less history, then there isn't as much holding you back. Just like, if a fandom has been around for a couple years, it can be really weird to go back and read something that was written in the first year of fandom, since I'm sure there will be a lot that has been given to us in canon since this was written that will make it feel off, if not outright negate it.

As I think about it more though, especially comparing SGA to QaF is, I think Rodney and John fir peoples idea of "normal" a bit more than Brian and Justin did. Sure Rodney is a super genius, and they fight alien vampires for a living while in another galaxy, but the characters themselves. Rodney is bad with women, and a bit of a pig to them. John is charming and a bit of a slut. Someone like Brian though, from QaF spent a lot of time trying to be different when it came o relationships. He actively proclaimed his disbelief in common practices, and lived the kind of lifestyle that not many people live (or can sustain for as long as he did). Author's though, love their OTP and want them to be together, so will give their characters a happily ever after.
So in conclusion, I think it's more the points you know rather than knowing the points, but by default, if you know a lot of points, the more chance of being out of character.

more information is helpful to a certain point, but when there's too much of it it can become a handicap.
*nods*
Like the school example I gave. Having that kind of information doesn't necessarily add to the character, but it could render an idea gone. Or make a previously written fic seem really out of character.
But yeah, not having enough information... leaves things to wide open. Like you can write about a character leaving his dildo all over the place, and no one can *really* tell you it's OOC :P

God, yes to all of those.

- The one where Justin comes back to Pittsburgh after his OC boyfriend died from AIDS and Brian is about to be married to some shrink and then for some reason Brian goes to France with Justin
I... never read that one. But it makes me think of that one that (again I never read, but the entire fandom was bleaching their brains over) was posted to all the B/J groups where Brian was totally in love with an OC and but eventually "settled" on Justin when his true love died, but he never really liked Justin. Or something like that.

- The one where Brian had about 78451 abortions before he met Justin, but this time decides to keep Justin's child and winds up in a coma after giving birth.
Also haven't read this one, but I think I just might have to :S

- The one where Lindsay is a Justin-raping psycho.
I *do* remember that one. Why did fandom hate the girls so much?

- Everything by gaedhal.
:D I only read Medium Security by her, and while I liked it, it was pretty much about two characters who just happened to be named Brian and Justin, because could it have been more OOC?

- The one where Gus fucks Justin while Brian watches and gives instructions.
Wait, I thought Gus fucked Brain, not Justin... oh god, please say there wasn't more than one of those? Because I distinctly remember a sequel where Gus has the thought that he had his dick up his dad's ass. :S

- Everything by Starema. Especially the poetry.
Oh god, I have a secret where it comes to Starema. I've never told anyone before....
I host her webpage.
And I am deeply ashamed of that. To be fair, I didn't know who she was when I offered to help her make her webpage, and she drove me kind of crazy, so I just went and put up an eFiction site and left her to it. I also pay for her domain name, because I couldn't stand to have my name associated with hers once I actually saw her fic (and I didn't know how to back out once I said I'd help her :S).
*sigh*
I feel better now that I have that off my chest.
Ok, not really.

It could be the same one. I'm probably confusing two or more fics. I think it's pretty much mandatory that all mpregs have triplets named Michaela, Brianna and Justine. But I'm pretty sure the minivan one took itself pretty seriously. Or as seriously as any mpreg fic can.

The other example I thought of is any fic in which Brian calls Justin "baby", even just once. Any excessive use of any nickname is bad.

I found it! *squeals with delight*

Uomo Incinta (http://www.thelibertydiner.net/UomoIncinta.html) by Rena.

It's even more cracktastic than I remembered! It takes itself totally seriously. It's set after S2, when Justin has left Brian for the fiddler. Only then does Brian notice that he's throwing up every morning, so he goes to the doctor.

“I need a pregnancy test.” Brian sighed, running his fingers through his hair.
“What makes you think you might be pregnant?”
“Classic symptoms. Morning sickness, increased appetite, and my nipples hurt.”

HIS NIPPLES HURT!!!! lol. And it gets better! Apparently Brian has a "history". There were complications last time, and he nearly died. But he's going to keep it! Suddenly he realizes that the loft is no place to raise a baby, so he asks Jennifer Taylor to find him a house.

“You can see her as much as you want. I mean, like you said, she’s your grandchild. I want you to be part of her life, if that’s what you want.”
“She?” Jennifer asked with a smile. Brian nodded, smiling as well.
“Found out yesterday.”
“Have you picked out any names yet?”
“I was thinking Justine Michelle.” Brian said softly, not quite looking her in the eye.
“It’s a beautiful name, Brian.” She touched his cheek. She understood that he was naming his child after two of the most important people in his life.

And all this is just in the first chapter!!!!!

Oh wow. This is stupendous. I have so much laundry to do (not to mention dinner!), but here I am reading mpreg. Lol. I'm going to bookmark it, so I can come back to it when I need a laugh.

- The one where Brian had about 78451 abortions before he met Justin, but this time decides to keep Justin's child and winds up in a coma after giving birth.
Also haven't read this one, but I think I just might have to :S
I take it back. I followed the link you posted, and I totally *had* read that fic, I think I just repressed it :S

- The one where Gus fucks Justin while Brian watches and gives instructions.
Wait, I thought Gus fucked Brain, not Justin... oh god, please say there wasn't more than one of those? Because I distinctly remember a sequel where Gus has the thought that he had his dick up his dad's ass. :S
I also took another look at the link you posted, and I was thinking of the same fic as you. Thank god there weren't two of them :P

Oh QaF, what a *special* fandom you were.

The one I was thinking about is these ones.

And may I just say, it took me forever to find it. I've been trolling through BJFic.net, and laughing my ass off at some of the posts over at

_bestoftheworst all night.

Some days I really miss the QaF fandom. Other days I thank god that the SGA fandom taught me to appreciate good fic and how to close windows to the horrific stuff :P

The other example I thought of is any fic in which Brian calls Justin "baby", even just once. Any excessive use of any nickname is bad.
God, you just described 50% of the fic in QaF :P

Ah hah, I started re-reading that one last night, then decided that once was enough, but I did get to the nipples part! (oh god, speaking of nipples, over at

_bestoftheworst they had this one fic where Brian *bottomed for... wait for it... Dr. *Dave*, and is upset when he only spends 9 minutes worshiping his left nipple instead of the 13 minutes he spent on Mikey's (and wonders if his nipples aren't good enough) Oh *god*).

Oh BARF!!! Lol

Yeah, that seemed to be most peoples reaction. :P

I personally wanted to barf everytime Dr. Dave was on the screen. :S I hated that guy, he was so creepy.

I saw him in an ad on the subway this morning! Well, Chris Potter, not Dr Dave. There I was, minding my own business, looking at the CBC adsplosion (that's what I call it when one company takes over every ad space in the subway car) and absent-mindedly thinking, "Hey, a cowboy!" Then BAM! My eyes were gouged out.

I remember when I went to the set sale, I met this old lady (she was probably about 75) in the line up to pay for things and we started fangirling. Somehow the conversation moved to Dr. Dave and how I really disliked him, and she was all shocked, because didn't I know that Chris Potter was Canadian!

Lol. That's another misrepresentation: that all Canadians are awesome, and we should love them all. Studies have shown that only 97% of Canadians are above average in the awesomeness department, while 2% are just average awesome, and the final 1% suck.

I take it back. I followed the link you posted, and I totally *had* read that fic, I think I just repressed it :S
Oh, I'm an expert in repressing. And then those stories come back to me at the most unfortunate of times. :|

Thank god there weren't two of them :P
Small favors. :x

I... never read that one. But it makes me think of that one that (again I never read, but the entire fandom was bleaching their brains over) was posted to all the B/J groups where Brian was totally in love with an OC and but eventually "settled" on Justin when his true love died, but he never really liked Justin. Or something like that.
The story I was referring to, was something by AnonyMouse (or how ever you spell her name.) The story you're talking about was 'The Other Foot', I believe. I haven't read it, but I've heard horror stories about it. Apparently it caused quite some wank when it was posted (but that was before my QAF fandom days).

Oh god, I have a secret where it comes to Starema. I've never told anyone before.... I host her webpage.
*pets you* You're not responsible for her content, really.

Thank god there weren't two of them :P
Small favors. :x
Actually... the more I thought about it, the more I thought it was a different fic. I haven't reread it yet, so I can't be sure, but I think the fic I was thinking about was this one, where Justin is abusive....
:S

The story you're talking about was 'The Other Foot', I believe.
Yes! That's it.

Apparently it caused quite some wank when it was posted (but that was before my QAF fandom days).
Well the wank kept getting reserected, I know I came across it at least 3 times in my time in QaF and once was just before I left.
Basically it came down to 1) it being a really bad story and 2) she insisted that it was a B/J story, and posted the 50 gazillion updates to all the B/J groups, and didn't understand why people thought it was out of place.

Actually, while I didn't read her main fic, I did read a response fic by her where Brian and Justin discover fanfic, and *Justin* is offended that they're not allowed to sleep with other people, and is all "What if I want to have an affair with Ted? Then were will people post the fic!" and Brian says something really corny like "Nowhere" or "In hell" except I think it was more pathetically poetic than that.

*pets you* You're not responsible for her content, really.
Thank god for that. And she was soo hard to work with. She wanted all of the fic pages to have their own eye bleeding colour schemes (See here and here for examples). She was also... kind of full of herself. She referred to herself as the most prolific author in the fandom (if only it were prolific good), and told me that as a "treat" for agreeing to help her with her page she'd write the next chapter of her current fic... even though I told her I'd never read any of her fic before.

The sad thing is, I was reading a "review" of one of her fics over at

_bestoftheworse and everyone is talking about how obviously English isn't her first language, but it *is*. I've spoken to her on the phone. She's from Texas.

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