waves* A friend pointed me to this post, I hope you don't mind me hopping into the discussion here :) No, I don't mind, feel free to jump right in. If I wanted to keep "outsiders" out, I'd lock the post. :P
And I meant what I said above, your comment is the one that made me stop and think "Huh, not all fans are behind this" and that's why I choose it to quote, and not any of the others, Sidebar would have been a much better example of what we were discussing. Looking back, it seems silly that I would assume that all fans would like the idea (How long have I been in fandom? No one agrees about *anything*), it's just I'm one of those people that has to actually stop and think about something before other opinions occur to me. I'm rather short sighted like that. Anyways....
Is a totally fair response. I actually have participated... t just to point out that I do participate, and I'm not just running around bitching everywhere but to the people who could make changes based on my bitching :) That's good to know. It does bother me a bit how some people are saying they aren't being included, but aren't trying to be included either. Or those say they don't *want* to be included to the OTW should just fuck off. BTW, how has the response to your "bitching" been? (Links are fine, since you said you had made some metafandom posts, which I will probably get around to *some time* when the holidays aren't taking up all my time). I'm curious as to how the OTW is handling things, since, for the most part, I've only had a chance to read a few people's reactions to all this.
I totally get this, and my issue isn't so much with what they actually have/haven't done than with their attitude. And I should add my view of their attitude is perhaps unfairly colored by the amount of negative interactions I've had with non-"staff"(board/committee members) supporters when I've raised questions/criticisms. OMG, isn't *that* the truth. It seems the supporters always seem to give the "thing" a bad name... which I guess is one of the arguments made against fandom when it comes to legal ground. We may encourage each other, but outsiders just want to take a big step back.
But, to me, and to a few people I know, so far they've come across as very "we're going to do all these things the right way." Hmm, in some ways, I think that's exactly what they're *trying* to do, even if they're not outright saying it. I mean the idea was based on "This is what we have, and it's not working, so we're going to make our own." The fans on LJ feel that a lot. Most of my friends online are anti-ff.net, because of all their stupid rules (the rating rule being a big one, since we read/write slash), the poor ratio of good fics compared to bad fics, and, well, the mentality of some of the people over there (not to say it's a great one over here). That environment doesn't work for us. Neither do a lot of the alternatives (is Quizilla *really* considered a fanfic archive?), even livejournal, where a lot of us currently reside. LJ always kind of sucked as an archive, but now it's beginning to fail as a safe haven for fandom too. The archives out there are failing fans *here* and AAOOO was the answer to that. It's just sort of grown since then.
As for the wiki, I don't think it's a reflection spefically on that site. I personally had never heard of it before, I'll definitely use it now that it's been pointed out to me though. I noticed that my fandom doesn't seem to be very represented on there, so I signed up for an account, and will see about fixing that.
Re: OTW Part 1
No, I don't mind, feel free to jump right in. If I wanted to keep "outsiders" out, I'd lock the post. :P
And I meant what I said above, your comment is the one that made me stop and think "Huh, not all fans are behind this" and that's why I choose it to quote, and not any of the others, Sidebar would have been a much better example of what we were discussing.
Looking back, it seems silly that I would assume that all fans would like the idea (How long have I been in fandom? No one agrees about *anything*), it's just I'm one of those people that has to actually stop and think about something before other opinions occur to me. I'm rather short sighted like that.
Anyways....
Is a totally fair response. I actually have participated... t just to point out that I do participate, and I'm not just running around bitching everywhere but to the people who could make changes based on my bitching :)
That's good to know. It does bother me a bit how some people are saying they aren't being included, but aren't trying to be included either. Or those say they don't *want* to be included to the OTW should just fuck off.
BTW, how has the response to your "bitching" been? (Links are fine, since you said you had made some metafandom posts, which I will probably get around to *some time* when the holidays aren't taking up all my time). I'm curious as to how the OTW is handling things, since, for the most part, I've only had a chance to read a few people's reactions to all this.
I totally get this, and my issue isn't so much with what they actually have/haven't done than with their attitude. And I should add my view of their attitude is perhaps unfairly colored by the amount of negative interactions I've had with non-"staff"(board/committee members) supporters when I've raised questions/criticisms.
OMG, isn't *that* the truth. It seems the supporters always seem to give the "thing" a bad name... which I guess is one of the arguments made against fandom when it comes to legal ground. We may encourage each other, but outsiders just want to take a big step back.
But, to me, and to a few people I know, so far they've come across as very "we're going to do all these things the right way."
Hmm, in some ways, I think that's exactly what they're *trying* to do, even if they're not outright saying it. I mean the idea was based on "This is what we have, and it's not working, so we're going to make our own." The fans on LJ feel that a lot. Most of my friends online are anti-ff.net, because of all their stupid rules (the rating rule being a big one, since we read/write slash), the poor ratio of good fics compared to bad fics, and, well, the mentality of some of the people over there (not to say it's a great one over here). That environment doesn't work for us. Neither do a lot of the alternatives (is Quizilla *really* considered a fanfic archive?), even livejournal, where a lot of us currently reside. LJ always kind of sucked as an archive, but now it's beginning to fail as a safe haven for fandom too.
The archives out there are failing fans *here* and AAOOO was the answer to that. It's just sort of grown since then.
As for the wiki, I don't think it's a reflection spefically on that site. I personally had never heard of it before, I'll definitely use it now that it's been pointed out to me though. I noticed that my fandom doesn't seem to be very represented on there, so I signed up for an account, and will see about fixing that.
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