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paradise_city about incest fic. And well, it led me to a question, and I'd really like to hear what my flist has to say about it.
Fandom has a lot of different kinds of relationships portrayed, and a lot of them are outside of things that we've seen or thought we might enjoy (reading or in RL) before we came to fandom. Some of them are/were outside our moral code. Some things that we used to think we wrong, we may now think of as right, or vise versa. Some things we never thought we'd like, we now love or vise versa.
Are there things you've run across in fandom that have changed your personal moral code I mean mostly in regards to relationships, but you can include other aspects as well. Also, if you like something in fandom/fanfic, does that mean you'd accept it in RL? Or do you draw a line between fiction and reality?
I mean, there are a lot of people in fandom who read incest fic, if you came across an incestuous couple in RL, would you be ok with it? What about things other than incest? I know my first change way back in my early days of fandom was to finally see that an open relationship could work, if both partners wanted it. Or later, that threesomes, or moresomes could work. I grew up in a very traditional household, where mostly, it's expected for a girl to meet a guy, fall in love and get married, so seeing all of the other kinds of relationships out there really changed my view on these things, and moved some things off my moral codes list of "wrong".
paradise_city about incest fic. And well, it led me to a question, and I'd really like to hear what my flist has to say about it.Fandom has a lot of different kinds of relationships portrayed, and a lot of them are outside of things that we've seen or thought we might enjoy (reading or in RL) before we came to fandom. Some of them are/were outside our moral code. Some things that we used to think we wrong, we may now think of as right, or vise versa. Some things we never thought we'd like, we now love or vise versa.
Are there things you've run across in fandom that have changed your personal moral code I mean mostly in regards to relationships, but you can include other aspects as well. Also, if you like something in fandom/fanfic, does that mean you'd accept it in RL? Or do you draw a line between fiction and reality?
I mean, there are a lot of people in fandom who read incest fic, if you came across an incestuous couple in RL, would you be ok with it? What about things other than incest? I know my first change way back in my early days of fandom was to finally see that an open relationship could work, if both partners wanted it. Or later, that threesomes, or moresomes could work. I grew up in a very traditional household, where mostly, it's expected for a girl to meet a guy, fall in love and get married, so seeing all of the other kinds of relationships out there really changed my view on these things, and moved some things off my moral codes list of "wrong".
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As you know from my incest post, RL incest is not objectionable to me as long as it's between consensual adults. It might squick me and I wouldn't want the details (the het versions) but otherwise it would be none of my business.
I do, however, have things that I like/accept in fanfic that I don't condone in real life. One of the things that I like about reading as opposed to watching is that I can run the events through my own personal filter. While I certainly enjoy watching porn when I'm in the mood for it, reading it is more enjoyable to me because it's "cleaner." In my mind, there's no mess or weirdness and any detail I don't like I can sort of skim over and not really register it as part of the experience. It's the same with other aspects of fic, in my case non-con or extreme "whump."
I don't like violence for its own sake, but I am a total sucker for hurt/comfort fic and in that context violence/non-con provides a very emotional hurt factor that can lead to even more emotional comfort, and for me, emotion in everything in fic. It's why I read it. Plus that handy filter in my head keeps the mental pictures/sounds in check enough that while I "feel" the hurt, it's kept on the surface and doesn't give me nightmares. I can't watch violence like I can read it -- that Sheppard whump vid everyone was squeeing over? I stopped watching after the first minute -- and I most certainly do NOT condone assault or rape in real life.
Then there's the stuff I like in fic that can't really happen in real life, but that's a different topic altogether.
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Ha, I'm far more adventurous in my reading life than I am in RL. Especially in QaF where there wasn't a ton of fanfic, I'd read anything. Even now, I like reading kinky stuff, so will often try reading it if it appears on one of my kink comms if it's a pairing I like, with very few exceptions.
I have a very ingrained sense of OTP-ness that didn't used to allow for additions of any kind. Once I'd actually experienced a threesome for myself, I gained more understanding of how they work, at least with a casual third, so I began to read those types of stories because they ceased being threatening to my OTPness.
Hmm, that's an interesting take on threesomes, and was actually the opposite of what I was like coming in. I hadn't any problem originally with X/Y+Z fics, it was the X/Y/Z ones that confused me. I didn't see how three people could be in love equally. Now though, I think I understand, and I can never go back to reading the X/Y+Z type fics, they just don't appeal to me. I think it's because, in my fics I'm looking for an emotional connection, and threesome sex scenes are often used more as an additional kink, that often is just about porn than anything else. I won't stop reading a fic because it has a threesome in it, but if it's just a PWP I'll skip it.
One of the things that I like about reading as opposed to watching is that I can run the events through my own personal filter. While I certainly enjoy watching porn when I'm in the mood for it, reading it is more enjoyable to me because it's "cleaner."
Very true. It's a lot easier and less likely to throw you out of the mood if you just skip a few lines, as opposed to having to hit the fast forward button. Also, one thing I notice about fic, is you can read a sex scene that goes on for pages and pages and you enjoy it (if it's written well of course), but when watching porn, I get bored if the scene changes to happen often enough. I mean, 10 minutes of a genitals close up as they pound into each other gets a little boring for me.
It's the same with other aspects of fic, in my case non-con or extreme "whump."
Yeah, non-con was the one thing on my list of "things I enjoy reading in fandom, that I can't like in RL" although,
As for whump and H/C... well, that's a kink that's a bit hard to tranfer to RL. I mean, if you were in an accident, or something happened like an earthquake, when you first saw your SO, would you not enjoy seeing them? Would you not want to jump them as soon as you could to make sure they are ok? I mean, it's not a situation you'd seek out, but I think the after effects are still applicable to RL, you just wouldn't seek it out. Even if in the future you don't look back on that horrible time as a happy though, I'm sure you'd remember the rush of emotions that went with the relief of finding out that you guys were ok.
And I'm really not sure how someone could be a H/C junkie in RL, unless it's through BDSM or something. I suppose you could look for pick ups at the local sexual assault centre... which ok, yeah, that would be wrong.
Then there's the stuff I like in fic that can't really happen in real life
Would *you* approve of mpreg and ass babies in RL? :P
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Mpreg squicks me the HELL OUT. It just really, really does. I can hardly handle babies coming out of women. :P
My thing is sentient nonhuman sex. Sex with aliens or human hybrids or highly evolved AIs. Well, I reckon the last one might be possible in RL someday, but anyway. Technically, sex with aliens happens whenever someone has sex with Teyla or Ronon, but I'm talking about nonhuman physiognomy. I can eat Bug!John fics for breakfast, and that one fic where John was a centaur? *rowr* This is not to be confused with bestiality, since animals are not sentient and can't give consent, and therefore goes on my squick list. And then there's wingfic, which I always thought sounded really stupid until I got into SGA, and now the thought of John having wings is just really, really hot.
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Yeah, see, the only time I really ran into chan was when I was in the Harry Potter fandom, because I slashed Harry and Snape, so it could be a lot more squick worthy over there.
But you're right, there's nothing wrong with teenagers having sex with each other.
I certainly wouldn't put my chan squick level even with say, the Australian government.
Mpreg squicks me the HELL OUT. It just really, really does.
Ah ha ha ha. *pulls out mpreg icon*
I'll admit to reading it in certain fandoms. In QaF, it was just too stupid to take, but at least in SGA they have weird alien technology to lend some plausibility.
I can eat Bug!John fics for breakfast, and that one fic where John was a centaur? *rowr*
I love Bug!John. It's so hot.
Also, do you mean the centaur fics by James Walkswithwind, or the one by Leah? Or something else entirely?
And then there's wingfic, which I always thought sounded really stupid until I got into SGA, and now the thought of John having wings is just really, really hot.
Ha, my desktop background is McShep, where John has wings. :P
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My love for bug!John knows no bounds. There was a fic someone wrote, I think it was either sardonicsmiley or lavvyan, where John kept getting switched out every day with a John from another universe, and the first switch-out was bug!John, and oh my word that bit of the story just kept breaking my heart and putting it back just to break it again. I wish she'd write a full story in that verse. It would be awesome.
And I read Leah's centaur fic. Where is this other centaur fic of which you speak?? *makes grabby hands*
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Ha, have you ever read Fuzzy Duck Smell, it's sort of mocking mpregs. Rodney has ass eggs, which turn out to hatch into ducks. Just normal ducks. They go and live on the mainland (the ducks, not John and Rodney).
There was a fic someone wrote
I think I may have that fic open in one of to to-read tabs....
And I read Leah's centaur fic. Where is this other centaur fic of which you speak?? *makes grabby hands*
Leah, based her fic off of James Walkswithwind's series. The whole series is super long, and spans many fandoms, but you don't have to read it to read the SGA parts.
She based her fic off of James' Many Faces fics (parts 1 and 2) but didn't know the centaur bit (and many of the other AU bits) were based off another fic; The Centaur Series (which ends up being McShep, but also has Sheppard/Zelenka and Sheppard/Beckett)
1: There's No Place Like a Mythological City To Call Home
2: Centaur Lullabye
3: Tetrameter
4: The Clock Struck One
5: Untitled Snippet
6: Thundering of Heartbeats
7: (Not So) Ordinary Gaits
Beyond that, I'd actually rec *all* of James' fic. She's one of the first author's I read in the fandom, and was one of the author's that was my transition from McBeck to McShep, she has a mix of both. And her Alone In Your Mind series would make my top 5 list no problem. It's one of those threesome fics that just *works*.
Now, I'm totally going to have to reread the centaur fics. :P