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paradise_city about incest fic. And well, it led me to a question, and I'd really like to hear what my flist has to say about it.
Fandom has a lot of different kinds of relationships portrayed, and a lot of them are outside of things that we've seen or thought we might enjoy (reading or in RL) before we came to fandom. Some of them are/were outside our moral code. Some things that we used to think we wrong, we may now think of as right, or vise versa. Some things we never thought we'd like, we now love or vise versa.
Are there things you've run across in fandom that have changed your personal moral code I mean mostly in regards to relationships, but you can include other aspects as well. Also, if you like something in fandom/fanfic, does that mean you'd accept it in RL? Or do you draw a line between fiction and reality?
I mean, there are a lot of people in fandom who read incest fic, if you came across an incestuous couple in RL, would you be ok with it? What about things other than incest? I know my first change way back in my early days of fandom was to finally see that an open relationship could work, if both partners wanted it. Or later, that threesomes, or moresomes could work. I grew up in a very traditional household, where mostly, it's expected for a girl to meet a guy, fall in love and get married, so seeing all of the other kinds of relationships out there really changed my view on these things, and moved some things off my moral codes list of "wrong".
paradise_city about incest fic. And well, it led me to a question, and I'd really like to hear what my flist has to say about it.Fandom has a lot of different kinds of relationships portrayed, and a lot of them are outside of things that we've seen or thought we might enjoy (reading or in RL) before we came to fandom. Some of them are/were outside our moral code. Some things that we used to think we wrong, we may now think of as right, or vise versa. Some things we never thought we'd like, we now love or vise versa.
Are there things you've run across in fandom that have changed your personal moral code I mean mostly in regards to relationships, but you can include other aspects as well. Also, if you like something in fandom/fanfic, does that mean you'd accept it in RL? Or do you draw a line between fiction and reality?
I mean, there are a lot of people in fandom who read incest fic, if you came across an incestuous couple in RL, would you be ok with it? What about things other than incest? I know my first change way back in my early days of fandom was to finally see that an open relationship could work, if both partners wanted it. Or later, that threesomes, or moresomes could work. I grew up in a very traditional household, where mostly, it's expected for a girl to meet a guy, fall in love and get married, so seeing all of the other kinds of relationships out there really changed my view on these things, and moved some things off my moral codes list of "wrong".
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Although, I still find my way of thinking changing due to fandom. I mean, it's an international community of mostly liberal minded women, I'm constantly being shown different perspectives on things (in general) and being forced to rethink some of the assumptions I had previously held.
Especially in the Stargate Atlantis fandom. I mean, in QaF, if there was going to be wank, it was about the Brian/Michael shippers were delusional, or those spoiler hos/virgins, ruinin' all the fun! SGA, on the other hand, feels their wank should be on deep moral issues. Just the other day I was saying to
never had many real squicks to begin with. Those I do have - scat, bestiality, non-con, mostly - have not changed.
Oh scat, misunderstood by so many. Actually, I'm a pretty kinky reader, but scat is one of those kinks I just was never able to come to like. I can handle rimming (although, it grossed me out for the first little while) and to some extent even water sports, but scat is just too far for me.
However, there is such a huge problem with (full and informed) consent in real life incest, since family relationships (especially if they're cross-gen) have such inherent power dynamics, that I wouldn't approve of them under many circumstances.
Yeah, mostly when I think of incest, I think of the same generation. Also, even if they were both adults and consenting, I'd probably have a lot more problems with it if it were a parent child thing instead of siblings or cousins.
For all that I read Snape/Harry in HP, that there was a decent gap between Brian and Justin, and that I'm more attracted to older people, than those my own, I'm still squicked by huge age differences. I mean, I have a friend right now, who's a few months younger than I am (22), who's dating a man almost 60. It's just, even if they have a lot in common, there are so many other issues. Like, he has children from a previous marriage, he probably doesn't have more than 20-30 years left to live, and there's no guaranteer that those years will be healthy coherent ones.
So yes, rambly rambly no conclusion from me either :P