but it's partly because of that we have so much character development for him. Oh definitely. And I think that's part of the reason why I feel closer to him. I know Rodney more, and am able to understand his motives. Whereas there are some things that John does that just make me go WTF? because they seem OOC for me, or make me think he's just an asshole and paint a bad IC for him.
I hated how he acted in "Adrift" and "Lifeline." Oh god, I have to say it, I really strongly disliked Sheppard in Adrift. I hate how he assumed he was in charge. Atlantis is a civilian operation, in a scientific crisis, not a military one, shouldn't that mean Rodney would be in charge? Not that I really wanted to see him in charge (seriously, while I love that fic where Rodney takes over Atlantis when Elizabeth got gassed, I don't actually think he'd be a great leader for the city), I just would have preferred to see them work together, like they do with the team, and not see John try and throw his authority around. It drove me crazy when John tried to control Rodney on the scientific stuff, because to me, it just felt like a call back his distrust of Rodney's judgment from Trinity. Gah!
No one calls him on it most likely because of his authority, but I wish someone would I really would too. John can be such a loose canon in some ways. I mean, Elizabeth, especially in season 1 and 2 never really had control over him. He'd listen to her when he felt like it, but would ignore her when he wanted to as well. Think of Hot Zone, when he ordered his marines to disregard her orders, and undercut her authority with the military? Or how when he went chasing after Cheya, Elizabeth wouldn't order him not to, because she knew he would ignore her and do it anyways. For Elizabeth, those are big underminings for her, and I can't believe she let him get away with it with no more than a slap on the wrist. I really wish we had seen some tension between John and Sam, because I think she would have been able to call John on it, without breaking him, or making herself the enemy. I'm curious as to how things will turn out in season 5.
I will say, though, that in pointing out his big mistakes, I have never considered his waking the Wraith as being something to pin on him. To be honest, I mentioned it, because it's what people mention most. John made it clear he blamed himself (but later moves that blame onto the Lantians collectively) and it's what other fans mention the most. *My* reaction would be to pat him on the shoulder, and say "It's not your fault", but the truth is, Elizabeth warned him that this could happen when he first insisted on going, so I think a little blame, for him running in and not doing the proper recon (the Athosians were *right* *there* he could have asked them a few questions before running in).
As for Elizabeth, her reaming Rodney publicly was just plain bad management. I think Elizabeth tiptoed around John a lot. Like I said above, he didn't really respect her authority over him. He'd pay lip service to it, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd say "Hell yes I respect Elizabeth" but he just never followed it through with his actions, because he always believed that he knew better. And I'm not saying that in some cases he didn't know better than she did, but still, it had her treat John differently. And unfortunately we only really see Elizabeth disciplining John, Rodney and Kavanaugh, and based on those three, John seems to be the aberration rather than Rodney (as much as fandom likes to hate Kavanaugh, in 38 Minutes, he was pointing out a problem that could kill all of them, rather than just the 6 or so on the jumper, and she dressed him down in front of his colleges too).
I liked Weir as a person but some of her management decisions were just plain bad. Yeah, the writers on a whole did a bad job writing her character. :(
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Oh definitely. And I think that's part of the reason why I feel closer to him. I know Rodney more, and am able to understand his motives. Whereas there are some things that John does that just make me go WTF? because they seem OOC for me, or make me think he's just an asshole and paint a bad IC for him.
I hated how he acted in "Adrift" and "Lifeline."
Oh god, I have to say it, I really strongly disliked Sheppard in Adrift. I hate how he assumed he was in charge. Atlantis is a civilian operation, in a scientific crisis, not a military one, shouldn't that mean Rodney would be in charge? Not that I really wanted to see him in charge (seriously, while I love that fic where Rodney takes over Atlantis when Elizabeth got gassed, I don't actually think he'd be a great leader for the city), I just would have preferred to see them work together, like they do with the team, and not see John try and throw his authority around. It drove me crazy when John tried to control Rodney on the scientific stuff, because to me, it just felt like a call back his distrust of Rodney's judgment from Trinity. Gah!
No one calls him on it most likely because of his authority, but I wish someone would
I really would too. John can be such a loose canon in some ways. I mean, Elizabeth, especially in season 1 and 2 never really had control over him. He'd listen to her when he felt like it, but would ignore her when he wanted to as well. Think of Hot Zone, when he ordered his marines to disregard her orders, and undercut her authority with the military? Or how when he went chasing after Cheya, Elizabeth wouldn't order him not to, because she knew he would ignore her and do it anyways. For Elizabeth, those are big underminings for her, and I can't believe she let him get away with it with no more than a slap on the wrist.
I really wish we had seen some tension between John and Sam, because I think she would have been able to call John on it, without breaking him, or making herself the enemy. I'm curious as to how things will turn out in season 5.
I will say, though, that in pointing out his big mistakes, I have never considered his waking the Wraith as being something to pin on him.
To be honest, I mentioned it, because it's what people mention most. John made it clear he blamed himself (but later moves that blame onto the Lantians collectively) and it's what other fans mention the most. *My* reaction would be to pat him on the shoulder, and say "It's not your fault", but the truth is, Elizabeth warned him that this could happen when he first insisted on going, so I think a little blame, for him running in and not doing the proper recon (the Athosians were *right* *there* he could have asked them a few questions before running in).
As for Elizabeth, her reaming Rodney publicly was just plain bad management.
I think Elizabeth tiptoed around John a lot. Like I said above, he didn't really respect her authority over him. He'd pay lip service to it, and I'm sure if you asked him he'd say "Hell yes I respect Elizabeth" but he just never followed it through with his actions, because he always believed that he knew better. And I'm not saying that in some cases he didn't know better than she did, but still, it had her treat John differently. And unfortunately we only really see Elizabeth disciplining John, Rodney and Kavanaugh, and based on those three, John seems to be the aberration rather than Rodney (as much as fandom likes to hate Kavanaugh, in 38 Minutes, he was pointing out a problem that could kill all of them, rather than just the 6 or so on the jumper, and she dressed him down in front of his colleges too).
I liked Weir as a person but some of her management decisions were just plain bad.
Yeah, the writers on a whole did a bad job writing her character. :(