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geeklite a belated birthday. I so meant to make this post last night, but I fell asleep. :-/ I hope you had an amazing day!
Next, I know I'm totally late on this, but I want to talk about Colby and the Janus list.
Gah! This was such an amazing episode! When I finished watching that episode I realized that that was one of the most effective season finales I've ever seen. I can only think of one other season finale like it (The Buffy one where she killed Angel). It wasn't quite a cliffhanger, because the problem was resolved, but it just left everything so broken. I can't wait until the new season starts. *whines* I'm going to be spending waaayyyy too much time thinking about this ep. Also I was really impressed by this ender, because the finale for season 2 sucked so, so much. I'm glad they were able o make this one much more interesting.
The thing is, not for one minute did I actually believe Colby's been a spy for 2 years. I have a feeling he was probably pulled in by the Americans when they discovered Dwayne, because:
1) What are the chances they both happened to work for the Chinese. I mean of all the governments out there... It would be more likely if it were a Middle Eastern government, because at least they both fought over there, but the Chinese? I mean we know how Dwayne got involved, but Colby? His only connection is Dwayne.
2) If Colby was a spy on the same side as Dwayne they had some mighty weird private conversations. And Colby's must be a pretty good actor to look so surprised and hurt over Dwayne being a traitor. I mean honestly, if they both knew (and if it were true I can't believe they wouldn't at the very least have suspicions) they might not have come right out with their secret traitor hand shake, but I think they probably would have spoken in a few more double entendre's.
3) If Dwayne *knew* that Colby was a turn coat, I think he would have turned him in when Colby cornered him. He was so upset and angry when it happened I can't believe he wouldn't lash out. I mean, I know he knew by this episode, but I bet he probably learned while imprisoned and decided to sit on it, because he was calmer and already caught, he knew he'd have to use that info to his advantage, but I doubt he'd be thinking that clearly when he was first arrested.
Edit: Obviously there are spoilers in this post and the comments for Janus List. In the comments though we now have some vague cast spoilers for season 4 (of both Numb3rs and SGA). Please don't spoil me people. I can't handle it! (Ok, I *can* but it'll piss me off). If you *are* looking for spoilers for season 4 there's a link in the comments to somewhere where you can find more info.
geeklite a belated birthday. I so meant to make this post last night, but I fell asleep. :-/ I hope you had an amazing day!Next, I know I'm totally late on this, but I want to talk about Colby and the Janus list.
Gah! This was such an amazing episode! When I finished watching that episode I realized that that was one of the most effective season finales I've ever seen. I can only think of one other season finale like it (The Buffy one where she killed Angel). It wasn't quite a cliffhanger, because the problem was resolved, but it just left everything so broken. I can't wait until the new season starts. *whines* I'm going to be spending waaayyyy too much time thinking about this ep. Also I was really impressed by this ender, because the finale for season 2 sucked so, so much. I'm glad they were able o make this one much more interesting.
The thing is, not for one minute did I actually believe Colby's been a spy for 2 years. I have a feeling he was probably pulled in by the Americans when they discovered Dwayne, because:
1) What are the chances they both happened to work for the Chinese. I mean of all the governments out there... It would be more likely if it were a Middle Eastern government, because at least they both fought over there, but the Chinese? I mean we know how Dwayne got involved, but Colby? His only connection is Dwayne.
2) If Colby was a spy on the same side as Dwayne they had some mighty weird private conversations. And Colby's must be a pretty good actor to look so surprised and hurt over Dwayne being a traitor. I mean honestly, if they both knew (and if it were true I can't believe they wouldn't at the very least have suspicions) they might not have come right out with their secret traitor hand shake, but I think they probably would have spoken in a few more double entendre's.
3) If Dwayne *knew* that Colby was a turn coat, I think he would have turned him in when Colby cornered him. He was so upset and angry when it happened I can't believe he wouldn't lash out. I mean, I know he knew by this episode, but I bet he probably learned while imprisoned and decided to sit on it, because he was calmer and already caught, he knew he'd have to use that info to his advantage, but I doubt he'd be thinking that clearly when he was first arrested.
Edit: Obviously there are spoilers in this post and the comments for Janus List. In the comments though we now have some vague cast spoilers for season 4 (of both Numb3rs and SGA). Please don't spoil me people. I can't handle it! (Ok, I *can* but it'll piss me off). If you *are* looking for spoilers for season 4 there's a link in the comments to somewhere where you can find more info.
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Ohh, I really can't wait until we get to see the truth come out (and really, there's nothing anyone could say at this point to make me believe that Colby's really bad, so we're going to assume the truth coming out is that he's not a traitor). I can see people being pissed all around. Colby because they would so easily believe he could do this, David because he felt so hurt and betrayed, and really couldn't Colby have told him? Don worried because Colby was following someone else's orders, and even if he isn't a traitor, can Don trust him to do what's best for the team from now one? Megan just because she's frustrated and angry as all hell at the moment, she doesn't have a Larry here to comfort her, and Colby will just be yet another thing she has to work through.
That's a great take on Colby, that he was doing his best to remind the team what kind of guy he really is.
The thing is, Colby has always come across as an honest guy to me. I mean, even when he was going through emotional problems (like when he told David about that friendly fire incident in Afgantistan) he doesn't really hold it in, he wears his heart on his sleeve, he talks about it. Colby doesn't need a psychiatrist like Don, because I think he's pretty good and going to those around him for help (ok, I may be extrapolating an awful lot from a little bit of canon, but that just the kind of feeling I got off the guy).
He's too honest a guy to say those thing, so often even, when he knows they're not true. And he pulled the hurt looks off too, hurt that Don didn't trust him, frustration with Dwayne when they met at the prision. I also think that it's killing him a bit inside having to keep this kind of stuff from his friends. I really don't see Colby as a cloak and dagger kind of guy.
I was surprised they bought it all so quickly.
Yeah, there could have at least been some shocked "No!"s or "I don't believe it!"s. But instead Don looked like, "I knew it!" and David went straight to betrayed (I don't really remember Megan's initial reaction).
I can't even begin to take a stab at how long this has been going on, etc. because I'm horrible with remembering canon
Oh me too. I've just been talking about this a lot lately. Trust me when I first started off it was stuff like, "And that army buddy who worked for te Chinese" and "You know that ep with the thingy" :P
It's funny, because I love SGA, but people are constantly going "Remember that time in that ep when they did that?" and I'm all o_O having no idea what they're talking about. And with Numb3rs I hadn't thought I had paid that close attention to Colby, but I seem to be remembering every single conversation he ever had. I think it's because I've seem most of the Numb3rs eps twice, but I've only seen most of SGA once, and instead have my memories clouded by a ton of fanon....